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that? And he said the same to the other guy when I was not even present, but when I repeated it to the Swedish national television or the... I don't know what his name was in any case, but he will know about it.

D:

When Riaan Stander mentioned Anthony White's name, as the murderer, did he say how he had that knowledge? How had he come to that conclusion?

C:

The impression he gave was as a result of his being part of Craig Williamson's team in Longreach. He also says that he was for a long time based on the Greek islands, Riaan. That's what he says. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but it's because of his involvement. The run up to the...I'm just mentioning it because it's in my head now...the 79,000 Rand expense account was mentioned to me by Peter Casselton, who said... He visits Gene. de Kock very frequently, every Sunday. And he said Gene de Kock says the man with the information is Philip Powell and that the cost, the expenses to the run-up for the murder was 79,000 Rand. That's what Peter told me. But Riaan didn't go...didn't elaborate on that, apart from...now if you meet Riaan, I know if you look at him in TV and you know sort of cut off all the edges he comes over strong, but he knows a lot, he knows a very lot. But one must be able, there might be a ten per cent, fifteen per cent rubble that you have to sort from the facts, fiction from fact, but he knows an immense lot.

D:

But at this point he didn't refer to any other person, he just made the statement flatly.

C:

That's correct.

D:

And you didn't ask him anything?

C:

No no. Ask Peter Casselton with Bertil Widen. I mean I just sat in on the conversation. It just doesn't work that way.

D:

Do you yourself.know Anthony White? Have you met with him or...?

C:

Never in my life. The first time I've heard his name was when Riaan mentioned it. The first time I saw a picture I mean was when it was on our news about three weeks ago on a Sunday night. But Peter Casselton knows him very well and Peter Casselton says he went to the Swedish embassy to go and tell them it's not Ant White. Before him and my son left Sunday two

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