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I am able to suy it, I have no idea, I have no indication of names, I have no suspicions, I can only make a conjecture, that Portugal, in the 1980s, was certainly a Eusy country to set up covert operations ».

Requested to clarify - after mentioning EXTRA (Trafaria Explosives) and COMETNA as companies that acted in the arms trade - to which military entity do these private companies and reported and whether this was a domain in which other military personnel, individually, in active or in reserve, they acted frequently, he replied:

« I begin by answering the last question: military personnel in the reserve. I don't know what percentage that worked in this sphere of activity, but it was usual, it was usual to he military reserve those interested in this type of operations. The ratification order of the constitution companies with this object was in a first phase, although not regulated, in the military leaders who were competent to approve, or not, the constitution of companies, with discretionary criteria, criteria that still remain today, and not there was a unity, as far as I know and under penalty of being able to make a mistake, approval procedure. In other words, if you ask me if i was the Chief of Staff of the Army (CEME) which, at the time, had the authority to ratify the social pact of a of these societies or if it was a delegated representative of the Revolution Council who had the competence to ratify the statutes of one of these companies, the answer given to it I give, my memory and what I know of the statutory regulations of the Council of Revolution, is that there was competence delegated to a member of the Revolution Council for the approval of companies operating in the sector. Competence for homologation statutory and discretionary criteria in relation to the identity of the partners of these companies, namely the requirement for criminal record certificates, military service, a set of other information, and, it could almost be suid, that they were discretionary and trustworthiness criteria similar to those of Banco de Portugal on bankers, with all the flaws ihat this can contain from the irony of what is here today we discussed. But the information I have is that after the operation itself dictates, ratified the statute, ratified the operation with what in slang is called the endorsement of armament, which was a political assessment of the final recipient, is that Stumbles happen. Stumbles happen because the final recipient may not be the effective - if it is in the tax haven, it is certainly not effective - and there is a need for services information using material classified as 'secret', thar is, considered absolutely tamper-proof at the top of the security rating, to ask whether the company that is in Nicaragua, Puerto Rico or Latin America is the final recipient of the endorsement or if from there it goes to another site, whose order is no longer from the Portuguese minister but, perhaps, from the minister of the final recipient who could forward it in another sense, and it was this that happened. There is obviously an enormous hypocrisy in these types of operations, because all the western powers that produce war material have information to inform the respective ministers of the final recipient, although there are by the way interposed companies that say it is not so. Therefore, if the Deputy Ribeiro e Castro asks me to say which were the private companies that operated in Portugal at thut time I am not able to accurately identify some of them. But if perhaps, this Commission has an interest in scrutinizing the companies that at the moment operate in this sector, they are registered at the Commercial Registry Office, have a CAE (classificution of economic activities) specific, which classifies its object, und many