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K:

No, it is like I know the Brigadier. It's like...it's like...it's not that he's going to scratch around and look for names. It is like he'll say: "Well, let's go and have a beer." You know, it is...it is...it's with ease. It's knowledge. To come back to your previous question, I wanted to answer that...oh, I think what will activate his memory very much is that he's sitting waiting to be charged! for receiving arms and possession of arms etcetera etcetera. And my personal opinion is that he's keeping it back to either trade with or to use it as a bargaining position. I have no doubt about it. For instance last year on various occasions I phoned him and then if you look at my cell phone at that account, I mean I phoned him in Cape Town on his cell phone, I mean, I phone him in parliament, where he was sitting asking what was going on. So do we add there was this openness amongst us. And I asked him on various occasions if he could give me the name again and he said, well he can't do ir now. Then I phoned him about two or three months ago and I said: "Listen. did you get me the name?" And he said: "Listen, I don't know, I can't remember the name, but the people who know everything of the wirode operation is a Mister John T. Leontsinis and his wife, Cindy, which runs a nursery in Johannesburg." They worked for Craig Williamson before, when they were in the police and they were also running front companies, so they also worked for Craig Williamson when he left the police. They also worked for him then in a military intelligence side of it. I have no doubt that Poweii will have a very strong recollection about everything, the day when he's charged. I can also not see how he's going to get off and be not guilty. I mean it's, you know, sixty tons of ammunition you don't just hide away. So I have no doubt that he's keeping it back as a bargaining chip, that is my opinion.

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D:

Did he mention anything more about this person than his name and address? For instance: age, family situation?

K:

No, he did not. No he did not. If he did, you will find it in the notes also. I've made as comprehensive these notes as possible, except now for where he sat and for how long we talked and, you know. But he mentioned...there was no mentioning, you know, about family. Usually when we talk, and in my own unit we never mentioned family, children or whatever. I mean it was only men's talk.

D:

I'm not quite sure that I understood. Did Powell mention how he had this knowledge himself?