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come, and I had no doubt that we could, except for certain countries. You would have to be, you know, more carefUL and then in certain countries i would not operate at all.

D:

When you talked to Mister Powell...

K:

Yeah.

D:

...did you talk to him about this matter for an hour or twenty minutes or several hours? When did you start and when did you stop?

K:

It came in general conversation and it lasted about five minutes, six minutes. It was more...it was more a reference and then a discussion of a reference. I personally think what he did here was to give me his CV. He was not known to me as an operator. He was not operational in bush warfare. He was non operational here in the neighbouring states in contact situations where they had to shoot and kill people. He was not involved inside or in the neighbouring states in bombing any places. So he had no operational background, something which I, to answer, was a bit sceptical about. because he was giving orders. Okay, here's his operation, it's his baby, the training of the Self- Defence Unit, but then when I make certain recommendations and he shoots them down, then I would like to know why. And I think he was giving me a basic CV of his own background, his own knowledge, to inspire more trust in me. That is the idea 1 got.

D:

Okay, I'll ask you again: Can you remember for how long this conversation lasted? Did you talk to him for five minutes, twenty minutes, several hours?

K:

...look the whole of the conversation could have...the general conversation could have been up to half an hour, three quarters of an hour. That is if my recollection serves me correct. Concerning the Palme thing, which was in passing, because it didn't basically interest me, let me put it to you that way. i had no compassion for Sweden at that time...

D:

Was anyone else...?