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hie came up here, he furthered his studies at

And he then leti He became very disillusioned with

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He was concerned that the...I don't know how best to put this. He was concerned that .. He was not concerned, and I must make this a bit clear that he was not concerned and I was never concerned that tliere would be a black government in South Africa. That was never ever ..

concern of mine or of, I know that. What he was detinitely concerned about is that for want or a better way of expl... The only way I can explain i:: the weste:11 way of life would be maintained, law and order would be maintained. lliere would not be anarchy, there would not be inter-tribal tighting there would not be any of these things. that the country would remain governable in the iransition period and wierwards and tita!! it would continue to go ahead, whether it has a black, white, Inchalu. coloured, green. purple government made no difference. And he felt that given the history or the country. there was a very strong possibility, and I think the average South African will probably tell you that as well: hefore the elections there were tears in the country that there might be a very severe outbreak of violence. If not between black and white, black on black violence, which has always been a problem here and continues to be a problem. ile telt that there needed to be a strong moderate black opposition and so he saw that ...ll opening for himself witl|, and he (and he is now, or he was until recently - they have changed the system 1oW - but lie was atves. That's what I know about

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know cach other?

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They probably do know each other. I don't know. I don't know for certain. 10. I would imagine... I don't know.

Maybe they know each other. It wouldı't surprise me if they know each other, but they've never said that they know cach other. I don't think I've ever seen them together. I would probably know that.

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There is one thing that puzzles me:A:

That shouldn't puzzle you...I know il person called

and

at the time thatleturned from ... his name also

as having been involved in some way with But he didn't...I don't think they

1 don't think they

I'm not sure whether... Certainly I know that was in Europe, and I think he was there for a couple of years and s was definitely here. When the story broke in the press c!iat

I'l! tell you how went (this is exactly how I met him)

I'm Sorry, I'm talking aloud now. I went to the

about reclaiming soil.it ivas a soil

And has a degree in

He is a...I suppose you could call him a. ife knows about

a. He was all the same Wiren his paper...his name

some time later, the people