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A:

It's a really hard question that... I would say... When did I first meet with him? When did. he come back from Sweden?

D:

1980.

A:

Then I met him in 1980. Approximately.

D:

But you said before that you went to school together.

A:

I was at the same school with him. I didn't know him at school. I 'm older than Craig Williamson. You know, if you're at school and you're two or three years older, you don't see the boys beneath you.

D:

All right. So it was in the beginning of the 1980's that you got acquainted with him.

A:

Yes.

D:

And you have been that ever since?

A:

Yes, I have been. But when I say "acquainted with him", I don't see a lot of him. I don't see a lot of Craig Williamson. I don't see him once a week, once a month. I see him maybe once every six months. I might... Just occasionally you know I might see him.

D:

Has he ever told you about his undercover work?

A:

No.

D:

I mean, it would have been normal that you had asked him questions or he would have boasted about it or something like that.

A:

I always thought that Craig Williamson did speak too much about his work. That was my opinion. The reason I thought that was not because he boasted. He didn't really... You know, our relationship was never one... Well, simply he didn't boast to me about what he did. He didn't and I didn't really ask him. I mean, occasionally you know he would say, well... He really told me very very little. Very very little. What he spoke about was actually what was revealed in the papers and then he would maybe boast about what was in the papers. But apart from that, no. He didn't tell me about any work that he was involved with. I have no information, and I didn't ask about any work that he was involved with at the time, in operations that he was running or anything like that. Nothing like that. I didn't ask him and it was never told to me. I thought that he talked too much. My reason for saying that is that I thought that he's got a high profile and it wasn't good to have such a high profile in my opinion. It could be dangerous. Not dangerous from the point of...because someone... If there was a change of government, the authorities would prosecute him or grab him. No, I didn't think that at all. That never crossed... I didn't worry about that. What I thought about was: I used to think, you know...the ANC is a