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aYou know, he gets some wild ideas, Gene. I think he thinks that, you know, it's a funny thing: a lot of people if you read the press about me think I'm some wild right-winger. But if you know the truth about me, I'm actually, well, it's a bit...you know ten years with the ANC and with student politics, I mean I...you know I have some understanding of politics and of how things work and even in the 1989 election, the right-wing campaigned against me and it was said by the Conservative Party and others and even by an American: a well-known American, a right-winger who publishes a newsletter on South Africa, I'll remember his name in a moment, where he wrote: 'There are Soviet moles in the National Party'. And who do you think the Soviet mole was? Me! This is supposed to be the Soviet mole. Because they said "there are people in the National Party who want to hand over power to the ANC". And serious right-wingers believe that I was one of them, that I was one of the people working for this type of thing.

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