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Ö:W:He's the one who's busy coordinating the investigation. He's not carrying it, but he's coordinating to get all my records of where I was in those months. He runs a restaurant in northern Johannesburg. He assisted as probably up until 1981 - 82. During my years when I was overseas he was used to help in the operation. When ! came back he just went into his family business. What else?

Ö:W:

ais somebody who was...I didn't know him then but he also at the same school as me. He's a few years older than me. He was, I'm not sure who introduced me to him, but it could have beenbecause they're big friends. He owns a...he's a horticulturalist and he's very, he's very...he's conservative and I used him to run an organisation called 'Victims Against Terrorism', VAT, that went, for example, to demonstrate outside the ANC office in London. And it was a, what do you call it? stratcom: strategic communication, a psychological warfare operation, publicity.

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Ö:

And another thing:

D:

Does he have any background as a policeman or a soldier?

W:

I don't think so. I think he must have done his national service, but he's certainly nothing more than his national...normal national service.

D;

No intelligence work?

W:

No. Only, you know the VAT: Victims Against Terrorism.

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Ö:

Okay.W:D:

Any comments upon him?

W:

Never met him, don't know him and warnedwhat he would do.

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