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There was worry in South Africa at that time about the development of the black consciousness movement from 1976 and so that was 1978.

1979 things continued:
I was the deputy director I was doing a lot of work, running all over the world, going to anti-apartheid conferences speaking at the UN against South Africa, generally running the International University Exchange Fund together with Eriksson.

There was, late in 1979, there was this small problem with the Swedes, which you would probably know about, where somebody in the Swedish legation in Lusaka asked the ANC if they knew that I'd been a policeman previously in South Africa and was I not perhaps still linked with the authorities.

That was cleared up, I got a letter from the ANC saying there had never been any reason to suspect me and that they were happy to work with me,









The first Sunday's article that came out shocked me, because it had McGivern's photograph and I'd been on the SRC of Witwatersrand University with

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