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D:

When was that?

C:

Eighteen months to twenty-four months ago. I think one will have to get it in Boris Ersson's passport. the exact date, that he flew into the country. He stayed for about a week or two and then he left. So if you can get hold of Boris Ersson. It was before I joined NIA in February 1995, so it should have been either in the beginning or towards the end of 1994. He was here alone, no as cameraman alone with no sound man, nothing.

D:

Do you remember where you were when Riaan Stander told you that?

C: I meet Riaan very frequently. He comes to my house for rye. What I did do, I

did introduce Riaan to the Attorney-General's officeand z Pomen

went more about Boiphatong, but I don't know whether the Swedish connection was mentioned. I immediately, after the Boris Ersson's interest, mentioned it toand I said: "Why don't we go and make a story of it?" He just nodded it away. I think he must have had too many stuff on his brains. But where exactly would be very difficult because you will see Riaan visits and phones me frequently. We go out drinking frequently. We go out eating frequently.

D:

Do you remember if anyone else was present?

C:

My son might have been on occasion or two. We'll have to ask him, I don't know. I can't...all I know is he repeated it to Boris Ersson in front of me off the camera. Very clear. Now they then prepared another meeting where he spoke to Boris...he said he spoke to Boris on camera. I don't know whether it's true. But Boris would be able to answer that.

D:

What did he actually say? Did he just say that Anthony White pulled the trigger or...?

C:

Williamson was involved. It was a Craig Williamson operation and Ant White killed him. Which Peter Casselton of course denies. Pete says it's not Ant, it's Bertil Widen or whatever. He first said it's a guy staying in Turkey. And then when I said the Swedish journalist was here and I showed him the photo he implicated that it's Bertil Widen. Now, and of course I explained it

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