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that regularly in our reports, and if you can lay your hands on some of those reports you will see, regularly in our reports we constantly drew attention to the fact that the social democracies were more of a help to us than a hindrance because the whole philosophy that the social democracies had in supporting Steve Biko and Black Consciousness Movement acted actually at that time as a bulwark, as a stumbling block to the forward thrust of the ANC. And in fact the closure of the IUEF and the fact that after Lars-Gunnar departed that the Swedes then donated their money directly to the ANC work, assisted the ANC more than anything else. It gave the ANC impetus. And that was something we were always trying to prevent by constantly feeding, you know, Lars-Gunnar with Black Consciousness Movement stuff and keeping the Black Consciousness issues alive. Because it kept the splitÖ:
Do you have ever heard that Craig Williamson said that he hated Sweden?
E:Communist Party from stamping a dictatorship on South Africa. And it was only the collapse of the Soviet Union in the long term that saved the situation there. I mean you could have negotiated a settlement in South Africa, but if the Soviet Union had still been around, we'd have had advisors from every single bloody country in the Soviet Union here tomorrow dictating the course of events in this country. So we in fact, in a sense, because the struggle was prolonged to the point where the Soviet Union went into decline, we were actually lucky the negotiations took place at that late stage, because we've got now a democracy that may work. But we liked the Swedes in that they were anti-communist. That was our feeling. And we always knew that there was a path open to the Swedes. If you spoke to the Swedes about
