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Ö:

But I mean before 1986 when the murder took place. Nowadays Sweden supplies South Africa with this kind of help of course, but I mean if there had been...if you had heard about a Swedish policeman who came down for training

C:

No, not one. No. Training here?

Ö:

Yes.

C:

No. Never heard of it.

Never heard of it. When Craig Williamson left the police force, do you think he joined another force in the military intelligence or something?

C:

I've got no factual information about this, but it's always, you know if a good agent leaves, there's always rumours: 'Ah, he's been offered a better position', you know. And now I didn't ask him specifically, because if you leave you leave and that's that. But I personally thought that it was strange, you know that although he's going into business and so on, perhaps he's, you know he's been offered. It has happened, it's happened very often in South Africa. As a matter of fact this whole thing, I don't know if you've heard about the organisation in South Africa called...what is this bureau for? BISKOP? Weermacht se ouers (the army boys). This BSV.

J:

Oh yeah. What were they...Civil Cooperation Bureau.

C:

Civil Cooperation Bureau. Now this thing was created also I believe at the beginning of '87 or during '87. It was an undercover organisation of military intelligence or the military. I don't know what it's actual position is. But what they did, they recruited just the branch, a whole branch of the police, a component in Johannesburg. They recruited them in secret. Afterwards you know these people said "We're going to leave now, we're going" and so on and so on and so on. And afterwards when some of their things were revealed, we learned that these are people that were policemen before, you know. Because they would probably think 'well this is people with experience, you know of the law, of working under cover and so on. But it was not security branch people, it was robbery and murder people. Weren't