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C:

Yeah.

Ö:

Okay.

C:

As far as I'm concerned. He never said to me for instance when I'm in an hotel. I had to hide in Brussels, in a hotel. I had to hide, you know. And he would phone me and he would say: "It's Craig". He didn't even have a code to me, you know, although I knew his voice. And he'd come in the evening or he'd book in the same hotel a room for himself, but as Craig Williamson as far as I am concerned. And then he'd come and then he'd speak to me that evening, the whole evening and we'd go through all the things and so on. But I never knew that he had a pseudonym of any nature or code name.

Ö:

Well when you said that he had to leave Europe and move back to South Africa, did you provide him with some certain passport at that time?

C:

He had an international Passport given to him by IEUF. They were able, this is...I remember that, they were able for him to travel in Africa, all over Africa with this, but it was in his name, you understand? They were able to go to some organisation, I don't know, IUF, and then they would issue...although you're a South African with a South African passport that's not allowed without visa to go somewhere, you...with this United, I think it's a United Nations, I'm not sure, United Nations passport, you could travel with this without visa facilities and you could come everywhere.

Ö:

Do you have any questions?

D:

Yes. What Mister Ölvebro was referring to is that Mister Williamson has told us that he had sometimes an alias with according travel documents: at least one of them issued by you. Do you remember that?

C:

Do you mean whilst he was there?

D:

Yes, or when he left them. Well, it's not important actually, but he had an alias, he says himself or a false travel document, but you don't remember.