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Britain regularly. He travelled throughout the length and breadth of South...of Africa, all the countries. So we were...we had a man that if it leaked out at all that he was associated with the South African intelligence organisations, he would immediately be shot. That's that. So I mean we would... had to be very carefUL for him. But money was coming through to South Africa on a reasonably regular scale: in cash, basically in cash. I must say what happened, that we created in South Africa an organisation that was supposed to be his organisation, you understand. He pretended there that he had people here that could do certain things: collect certain information or do certain jobs and so on. For instance: Mister Eriksson approached him and said... Can we just stop the thing? We have to...

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At this point we were interrupted by Johan Coetzee's daughter who offered us refreshments. The interrogation was therefore interrupted for ten minutes but is now being resumed at 11.10.

Yes please sir, can you go on? Do you remember where you were?

C:

Yes I remember that I said that Mister Eriksson approached Mister Williamson and said they wanted in South Africa a place, a secluded place, where people who wanted to join the ANC and go for military training outside the country could be hidden for a period before they go on what we termed 'the escape route', you know because I mean you've got to go over the border and so on. Now obviously this was very valuable for us, because that way we knew who was going to leave for military training, you know. And the information that came from Mister Willliamson indicated that they must rent a place. Rent a place. Now obviously we couldn't go in South Africa and say: "We're the police, we want to rent a place" for a thing like that. We've got to do it in a hidden way. I'm coming back to the position that I said: we had to create an organisation that was supposed to support him here: a small organisation consisting basically of policemen that was under cover, that people didn't know. So in between Johannesburg and Pretoria a place was identified as a possible place that we could rent. And they would pay from Switzerland something like a thousand or two thousand Rand per month. And now I've said that there was a group of about ten people working with all this information between... The group consisted of National Intelligence and police chaps. And once or twice a month I went to this...this offices and you know we...they put the difficult, the delicate things in front of me or