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D:

Do you remember when you bought the farm?

C:

It must have been...we can...you can check that at the police. When I left the police... You know now I'm sitting now with a small farm on my land when I retire from the police. Then I went to the then security and I said: "Listen, you remember this place? You must...I want it off my name now, or otherwise you must give it to me as a present. And I then...they went to an attorney and I never went to the attorney but they brought documents that this Mister John Davis is now giving a present to the South African State, to South Africa. (Nästa mening obegriplig. Afrikaans?). And I said: "Well this is a nice present for you" so I gave it to the state as a present. Perhaps 1 should have kept it and sold it! But anyway it was given back and they can research it there, you know when exactly because there must be documents and there must be...the title deeds must show all this: that Mister John Davis, that's why I mentioned the name, has given this as a present. Remember now the IUEF has disappeared many years ago, now what do you do with it? What can you do with this thing? But this is the Daisy Farm that they referred to and so on. All right, now I've spoken about the money situation: the money situation, I think I must elaborate a little bit on that, because I see there are many allegations about that. The money situation was that the IEUF would draw up a budget. They'd compile a budget for their operations throughout the world, in a vague type of way, but the money is there, the money is stipulated there. And we were given a copy of this budget in South Africa, through Mister Williamson, for his activities here. Now then this money came to South Africa in various ways. Some of them we could never exactly work out how did this money come to South Africa. Through what means? What conduits? For instance, what they would do: they would go to South Africa and they'd say: "Have you got an interest or an investment in a European country? Italian or a Greek and so on. And, but you stay in South Africa. Or do you want an investment somewhere in Europe? And this man would say: "Yes", perhaps. Then they'd say: "Well all right, we'll put in your bank account in Germany or in Greece or in Holland or in England so much money. Will you make that money available in South Africa?" So we'd be placed in a position that we've got an account which is now supposed to be Craig Williamson's account, and suddenly there's a lot of money in there and no-one knows. How...you know there's no trace of how this money came. Then afterwards you'd find out that neither could Craig find out exactly there who they had approached. In a few cases I think he was able to say it's big