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Eugene De Kock: It is, yeah, it's ... and it's one based on experience.
I would use a Swedish citizen, if not a Scandinavian citizen, because it's a matter of fitting in.
If I walk in Stockholm, you will know that I'm a foreigner, and you have to speak ... and you have to be able to speak the language. You have to blend in.
I have no doubt that there must have been a form of surveillance.
If there wasn't surveillance, there must have been a leakage from within a household or whatever.
If there wasn't a leakage, then there might have been a penetration of the household by a love affair with somebody, or whatever.
I've made quite substantial notes here. But that is conclusions.
Concerning ... now Peter Casselton, you might get closer, but he made it clear to me, and that's the first time I heard that there's money involved, was Peter Casselton was talking about money and then Tommy Lindström was talking about money.
That's the first time that I heard about money and that's long after made my statement in court.
I'm not interested in the money. Peter Casselton is after the money and he's after Craig Williamson. I don't hate Craig Williamson.
He was involved in break-ins there and him and , they were in the security police here still.
They raided or they broke into the ... either one of the anti-apartheid offices or the ANC office, and they even stole, on the outside of the door there was some musical instrument which they used.
They press a button, it's a door-opener type of thing. They stole that and they also brought that and that was used in headquarters to open their office, then a G2 section.
That is the way they brought back a souvenir of the success of their raid in Sweden.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: I think, and Mister Danielsson thinks the same, that we have to go through your notes that you have handed over.
Eugene De Kock: Yeah.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: And if it's possible, can we come back and put other kind of questions and...
Eugene De Kock:ä: You can... you can tap whatever knowledge you want.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: Yeah.
Eugene De Kock: There is nothing that I will hold back. It's up to a gentleman here and to Mister Benson now.
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