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Dirk Coetzee: And the name?

FHL Hans Ölvebro: The first name is

C: No.

FHL Hans Ölvebro: of course you know who is, who he is. It's a policeman in Port Elizabeth. Okay.

D: You don't know him?

FHL Hans Ölvebro: No, you see I just want to explain... Okay. Okay, let's go on.

FHL Hans Ölvebro:

C: Uh-huh.

FHL Hans Ölvebro: And I have a name: .

C: No.

FHL Hans Ölvebro: And another one is

C: Whoa! Ghe Ghe ! Ha ha! Ghe Ghe my son! He was also there. He was also in the restaurant. I introduced him to the Swedish guys too.

FHL Hans Ölvebro: You did.

C: Yes. We call him Ghe Ghe. You see his initials is G, but because he's got such a common flat South African name, we called him Ghe Ghe. He doesn't smoke but he loves his little totsies. No he's very ... he's with a computer company, I mean he gave my son a card. I can go home and look for the card. Otherwise the Waterfalls Restaurant is ... the owners are... Peter always ... I mean Peter's never got a job and if he's in Pretoria he sleeps at their place and so, so all... frequently comes here, but on a Sunday after Peter's been at the jail, he's usually at PaUL's house and comes there every Sunday. Before they left for Beira, him and my son, .Peter went to visit Gene on a Saturday to ask him a few questions

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