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− | [[Eugene De Kock]]: ...because of their stance, you know, against, you know, South African government, so let's make no mistake about that. And...but it did interest me from the point of view is that here was confirmation of the Williamson side. | + | [[Eugene De Kock]]: ... because of their stance, you know, against, you know, South African government, so let's make no mistake about that. And ... but it did interest me from the point of view is that here was confirmation of the Williamson side. |
− | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: Was anyone else present? | + | |
+ | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''Was anyone else present?'' | ||
[[Eugene De Kock]]: No, it was only the two of us. | [[Eugene De Kock]]: No, it was only the two of us. | ||
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− | [[Eugene De Kock]] I suppose there could have been a lot of the Blacks that saw us together, but whether we'll be able to identify them or not, there's eight, nine I note of those. And even if they did see us, we used to talk or walk away and then talk about the training, the type of training we will give, and that we kept amongst ourselves. We sometimes made certain, you know, revelations about Buthulezi which he gave to me on a personal basis: his health, his fear of witch doctors and things like that, which will be generally interested or now all of interest to the general public. But this was a personai conversation. | + | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''Has anyone else seen the two of you together at this time?'' |
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+ | [[Eugene De Kock]] I suppose there could have been a lot of the Blacks that saw us together, but whether we'll be able to identify them or not, there's eight, nine I note of those. | ||
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+ | And even if they did see us, we used to talk or walk away and then talk about the training, the type of training we will give, and that we kept amongst ourselves. | ||
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+ | We sometimes made certain, you know, revelations about Buthulezi which he gave to me on a personal basis: his health, his fear of witch doctors and things like that, which will be generally interested or now all of interest to the general public. But this was a personai conversation. | ||
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− | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: As you may know, Mister Powell has denied that a conversation like this has taken place. | + | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''As you may know, Mister [[Philip Powell]] has denied that a conversation like this has taken place.'' |
[[Eugene De Kock]]: Yes. I've seen that in the newspapers. | [[Eugene De Kock]]: Yes. I've seen that in the newspapers. | ||
− | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: Well, let's say that he has just...it has slipped out of his mind. Is there anything special that could remind him of this conversation? Something that happened... | + | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''Well, let's say that he has just ...it has slipped out of his mind. Is there anything special that could remind him of this conversation? Something that happened ...'' |
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+ | [[Eugene De Kock]]: Well I think that will ... something that will remind him very strongly of who it could be and the name, because he gave it to me when I asked him, you know, who this man was. Then he gave the name, you know, in this conversation. | ||
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+ | And then he offered, he actually, without me asking me for, he gave me the address and the telephone number and say: | ||
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+ | : "If you are overseas or you go to Turkey, contact the man." | ||
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− | + | FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: ''Was he aware of this name in his mind or had he in a notebook?'' |
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Eugene De Kock: ... because of their stance, you know, against, you know, South African government, so let's make no mistake about that. And ... but it did interest me from the point of view is that here was confirmation of the Williamson side.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: Was anyone else present?
Eugene De Kock: No, it was only the two of us.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: Has anyone else seen the two of you together at this time?
Eugene De Kock I suppose there could have been a lot of the Blacks that saw us together, but whether we'll be able to identify them or not, there's eight, nine I note of those.
And even if they did see us, we used to talk or walk away and then talk about the training, the type of training we will give, and that we kept amongst ourselves.
We sometimes made certain, you know, revelations about Buthulezi which he gave to me on a personal basis: his health, his fear of witch doctors and things like that, which will be generally interested or now all of interest to the general public. But this was a personai conversation.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: As you may know, Mister Philip Powell has denied that a conversation like this has taken place.
Eugene De Kock: Yes. I've seen that in the newspapers.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: Well, let's say that he has just ...it has slipped out of his mind. Is there anything special that could remind him of this conversation? Something that happened ...
Eugene De Kock: Well I think that will ... something that will remind him very strongly of who it could be and the name, because he gave it to me when I asked him, you know, who this man was. Then he gave the name, you know, in this conversation.
And then he offered, he actually, without me asking me for, he gave me the address and the telephone number and say:
- "If you are overseas or you go to Turkey, contact the man."
FHL Hans Ölvebro: Was he aware of this name in his mind or had he in a notebook?