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− | + | [[Eugene De Kock]]: He worked in the...he worked for one of the front companies. Ask [[Craig Williamson]] | |
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− | + | ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''But he didn't refer to any other person or so?'' | |
− | + | [[Eugene De Kock]]: He didn't refer that he was involved in this operation, which is non impossible. | |
− | + | It...he was in a front company, which...now which fell under the [[Longreach]] and the International Freedom, you know, Foundation umbrella. | |
− | + | And that is where he gained his knowledge. So it's not impossible that he was involved in an operation himself. | |
− | + | That is not beyond the... The StratCom unit here, the Strategic Communications Unit here, would never execute. well, acts like that, but they would plan them. | |
− | + | Or they would say: | |
+ | : "Listen. oh, we have a target, this is the target. Can you go there and execute the target?" | ||
− | + | So I ... will not be surprised if he has more personal internal knowledge of this whole matter. | |
− | That is not much. He asked a lot of questions. I gave him a lot less than is in here. I think if you show your notes, that is basically what we gave him. In the beginning I was quite depressed. I felt that this is the real...that there was a real thing, but eventually he was too quiet for an interrogator in any case. And he actually advised us to keep certain things back. Why I don't know, because that's not the usual thing for an interrogator. I mean usually they want everything. I made a short list here of information he, you know, he gave us. Because I didn't know what the calibre of the firearm was and the type. He said it was a revolver 357 Magnum or a 375 Magnum. I didn't know how many shots was fired. I asked him and he said there was one shot fired at the minister and one at his wife. I don't know if it's like that. I don't know. He said he was walking and it was at night. He saw...he said that the minister's wife saw the face of the shooter. I then advised him that the safety | + | I know that he denies it, but he knows that i know that he's lying. He knows. |
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+ | And it's like he knew this man on a very personal basis. | ||
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+ | It's not that he had to look for a name. He didn't have to look in ... he didn't have to look in his notebook. He did have a notebook of some sort. I cannot give you a description of it. The name he gave to me, and the address and the telephone number he gave to me out of the notebook. | ||
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+ | FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: ''Well, if we can go on and you tell us about the information you had from Mister (störande ljud) [[Tommy Lindström]].'' | ||
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+ | [[Eugene De Kock]]: That is not much. He asked a lot of questions. I gave him a lot less than is in here. | ||
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+ | I think if you show your notes, that is basically what we gave him. | ||
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+ | In the beginning I was quite depressed. I felt that this is the real ... that there was a real thing, but eventually he was too quiet for an interrogator in any case. | ||
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+ | And he actually advised us to keep certain things back. Why I don't know, because that's not the usual thing for an interrogator. I mean usually they want everything. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I made a short list here of information he, you know, he gave us. Because I didn't know what the calibre of the firearm was and the type. He said it was a revolver 357 Magnum or a 375 Magnum. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I didn't know how many shots was fired. I asked him and he said there was one shot fired at the minister and one at his wife. I don't know if it's like that. | ||
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+ | I don't know. He said he was walking and it was at night. He saw ... he said that the minister's wife saw the face of the shooter. | ||
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+ | I then advised him that the safety |
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Eugene De Kock: He worked in the...he worked for one of the front companies. Ask Craig Williamson
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: But he didn't refer to any other person or so?
Eugene De Kock: He didn't refer that he was involved in this operation, which is non impossible.
It...he was in a front company, which...now which fell under the Longreach and the International Freedom, you know, Foundation umbrella.
And that is where he gained his knowledge. So it's not impossible that he was involved in an operation himself.
That is not beyond the... The StratCom unit here, the Strategic Communications Unit here, would never execute. well, acts like that, but they would plan them.
Or they would say:
- "Listen. oh, we have a target, this is the target. Can you go there and execute the target?"
So I ... will not be surprised if he has more personal internal knowledge of this whole matter.
I know that he denies it, but he knows that i know that he's lying. He knows.
And it's like he knew this man on a very personal basis.
It's not that he had to look for a name. He didn't have to look in ... he didn't have to look in his notebook. He did have a notebook of some sort. I cannot give you a description of it. The name he gave to me, and the address and the telephone number he gave to me out of the notebook.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: Well, if we can go on and you tell us about the information you had from Mister (störande ljud) Tommy Lindström.
Eugene De Kock: That is not much. He asked a lot of questions. I gave him a lot less than is in here.
I think if you show your notes, that is basically what we gave him.
In the beginning I was quite depressed. I felt that this is the real ... that there was a real thing, but eventually he was too quiet for an interrogator in any case.
And he actually advised us to keep certain things back. Why I don't know, because that's not the usual thing for an interrogator. I mean usually they want everything.
I made a short list here of information he, you know, he gave us. Because I didn't know what the calibre of the firearm was and the type. He said it was a revolver 357 Magnum or a 375 Magnum.
I didn't know how many shots was fired. I asked him and he said there was one shot fired at the minister and one at his wife. I don't know if it's like that.
I don't know. He said he was walking and it was at night. He saw ... he said that the minister's wife saw the face of the shooter.
I then advised him that the safety