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ÅKL [[Jan Danielsson]]: ''No.''
  
C: They had very ... reasonably good intelligence. There were visitors. Russian. I don't know if [[Craig Williamson]] will remember the name {{Maskat|Längd=15}}(?) that came regularly, on a regular basis from Russia to Switzerland to interview Mister [[Lars-Gunnar Eriksson]].
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[[Johann Coetzee]]: They had very ... reasonably good intelligence. There were visitors. Russian.  
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I don't know if [[Craig Williamson]] will remember the name {{Maskat|Längd=15}}(?) that came regularly, on a regular basis from Russia to Switzerland to interview Mister [[Lars-Gunnar Eriksson]].
  
 
One of the issues, and you must please be very circumspect with this information.  
 
One of the issues, and you must please be very circumspect with this information.  
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It was revealed afterwards that South Africa was developing nuclear weapons. It was true.  
 
It was revealed afterwards that South Africa was developing nuclear weapons. It was true.  
  
And the note that we got from Williamson was that we must try and get the particulars of the building in which this reactor was situated. And I went to the security people at this place Pelindaba. I was personally unaware that South Africa was doing this, because the government at that stage said it was peacefUL. But i
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And the note that we got from Williamson was that we must try and get the particulars of the building in which this reactor was situated.  
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And I went to the security people at this place Pelindaba. I was personally unaware that South Africa was doing this, because the government at that stage said it was peaceful.  
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But I went to the ... who was a general, an ex-police general.
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He was in charge of security there: {{Maskat|Längd=12}}{{Maskat|Längd=24}} I went to him.
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I knew him from my police days and I explained the situation to him. He had an understudy also.
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He may be dead or he may be very ill, I don't ... I've never heard of him again.
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But his second-in-charge must be still alive. He was a brigadier when he left and he went to work there and he afterwards became their chief of security.
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And I explained confidentially the situation.
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We worked out a scheme that we will pretend that we've got an agent that's working there.
  
went to the...who was a general, an ex-police general. He was in charge of Porn security there:{{Maskat|Längd=12}}{{Maskat|Längd=24}}I went to him. I
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No, but he hasn't got access to the big secrets, but he could get the whole plan first and so on.  
  
knew him from my police days and I explained the situation to him. He had an understudy also. He may be dead or he may be very ill, I don't...I've never heard of him again. But his second-in-charge must be still alive. He was a brigadier when he left and he went to work there and he afterwards became their chief of security. And I explained confidentially the situation. We worked out a scheme that we will pretend that we've got an agent that's working there. No, but he hasn't got access to the big secrets, but he could get the whole plan first and so on. So the things that was published you know openly about this Pelindaba we said to Craig Williamson in the beginning, and said: "now listen, this is initially but our agent has got instructions to try deeper to get people to give him information about this. At the end, the experts there at Pelindaba drew up a diagram of the real place where the reactor was, but which was completely wrong, it was not the real thing, it
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So the things that was published you know openly about this Pelindaba we said to [[Craig Williamson]] in the beginning, and said:
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: "now listen, this is initially but our agent has got instructions to try deeper to get people to give him information about this. At the end, the experts there at Pelindaba drew up a diagram of the real place where the reactor was, but which was completely wrong, it was not the real thing, it

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Johann Coetzee:

Now to come back to Mister Craig Williamson at this stage, which may have a link somewhere.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but the IEUF also had reasonably strong links with the Russian Intelligence. Did you know that?


ÅKL Jan Danielsson: No.

Johann Coetzee: They had very ... reasonably good intelligence. There were visitors. Russian.

I don't know if Craig Williamson will remember the name (?) that came regularly, on a regular basis from Russia to Switzerland to interview Mister Lars-Gunnar Eriksson.

One of the issues, and you must please be very circumspect with this information.

We got a message from Mister Craig Williamson that either this Russian or Mister Craig Williamson wanted to know about our atomic developments.

You know in South Africa at a place near Pretoria: Pelindaba. Wanted to know the particulars of that. And ... now it became an open secret afterwards.

It was revealed afterwards that South Africa was developing nuclear weapons. It was true.

And the note that we got from Williamson was that we must try and get the particulars of the building in which this reactor was situated.

And I went to the security people at this place Pelindaba. I was personally unaware that South Africa was doing this, because the government at that stage said it was peaceful.

But I went to the ... who was a general, an ex-police general.

He was in charge of security there: I went to him.

I knew him from my police days and I explained the situation to him. He had an understudy also.

He may be dead or he may be very ill, I don't ... I've never heard of him again.

But his second-in-charge must be still alive. He was a brigadier when he left and he went to work there and he afterwards became their chief of security.

And I explained confidentially the situation.

We worked out a scheme that we will pretend that we've got an agent that's working there.

No, but he hasn't got access to the big secrets, but he could get the whole plan first and so on.

So the things that was published you know openly about this Pelindaba we said to Craig Williamson in the beginning, and said:

"now listen, this is initially but our agent has got instructions to try deeper to get people to give him information about this. At the end, the experts there at Pelindaba drew up a diagram of the real place where the reactor was, but which was completely wrong, it was not the real thing, it