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this guy at all. And then Peter Casselton phoned me that night. Then Peter Casselton phoned me that night.

I said:

"Peter Casselton, here was this Swedish journalist and tells the story about Bertil Wedin arrested with you and never being charged with ..."

He said:

"Yes yes, he worked for me and Craig Williamson."

Now Peter Casselton was the London agent who handled Craig's London operations, and amongst others, Bertil Wedin.

And the night with the ... and Peter Casselton, now I cion't sit and ... Peter Casselton is a friend of mine, big friend of mine. His motor car at the moment is in my garage.

He's at the moment with my son in Mozambique to fix an aeroplane to fly back. They will be back ... on Sunday they will be gone for two weeks, they'll be back very soon.

Now I don't interrogate Peter Casselton, like I did not with Riaan Stander. Why do you say it's Ant White? I don't know Ant White. I've never seen Ant White in my life, except on TV the other night when they had pictures of him. Bertil Wedin I didn't even know about.

Peter Casselton never spoke about him until I asked him:

"The Swedish guys are here asking about him."

Then the night when Vicky McPhearson and myself, that was Friday a week ago, last Friday, now the Friday a week ago in the Waterfalls Restaurant here in Nedbank Plaza in Pretoria on the corner of Church and Beatrix Street. Peter... Vicky said to the Swedish journalist:

"It's not Bertil Wedin."

So Peter Casselton asked him:

"I hope you're not betting on it because you will lose your money."

So the Swedish journalist asked Peter Casselton:

"Are you betting on it?"

Peter Casselton says:

"For sure."

Now Peter's...and Peter Casselton asked

"How is he going to get past his bank account?"

They must just draw this guy's bank account. And look into it: how is he going to explain all that money and all that ... I don't know what they are? That was the question.

I didn't say:

"What do you mean about bank accounts?"

But I was present when it was said. And I'm sure Peter Casselton will repeat it to you. He's got no hang-ups about it. So that is what I know about Bertil Wedin. Again, I don't know the person at all. Now just to...if...if...if. just interest's sake, I just want to sort of quote to you the relationship between Craig Williamson and myself, just in short, because I know for you it's all hearsay evidence. But in 1989, on skimpy hearsay Forno evidence, I told the world about ſ. What did Williamson tell

you, and it was this 'have you seen...?' and I knew it was you, you bastard, that is what was said. Now in my departmental trial when I was trying to put a different meaning to a similar conversation, 'I didn't mean that and I didn't mean that', Williamson is on record, just interest's sake, just a good one, just to say...if I can get my hands on it. Sorry, I won't keep you long...

Ö:

Well, I think we can turn over the tape.

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