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D: Did he mention anything more about this person than his name and address, for instance, age, family situation?

K: No, he did not. If he did you will find it in the notes also. I made as comprehenive notes as possible, except for how long we sat, how long we talked, but there was no mentioning about family. Usually when we talk in my own unit we never mention family, children or whatever. It was only men's talk.

D: I am not quite sure that I understood. Didmention how he had this knowledge himself?

K: He worked for one of this frank? companies of Craig Williamson.

D: But he did not refer to any other person?

K: He didn't refer that he was involved in this operation, which is not impossible. He was in a frank company, which fell on the Longreach and International Freedom Foundation umbrella. And that is gained his knowledge, so it is not impossible that he was involved in the operations himself, that is not beyond that.

The Stratco unit here, the Strategic Communication Unit here, would never execute, well axe like that, but they would plan them. And they would say, listen, we have a target, this is the targt, can you go ahead and execute the targt. So I will not be surprised if he has more personal internal knowledge of this whole matter. I know that he denies it, but he knows that I know that he is lying, and he knows, and it like, he knew this man on a very personal basis. It is not that he had to look for a name. He didn't have to look in his note-book. He did have a note-book of some sort, I can not give a description of it. The name he gave to me and the address and telephone number he gave to me out of the note-book.

Ö: If we can go on and you tell us about the information you have fromK: That is not much. He asked a lot of questions. I gave him a lot less than he........... I think if you show him your notes that is basically what we gave him. In the beginning I was quite impressed, I felt that this was a, that he was a real thing, but eventually he was too quiet for an interrogator in any case and he actually adviced us to keep certain things back. Why I don't know because that is not usually for