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funding and then the channeling of funds to South Africa, plus the relations with the different liberation movements and political organisations in South Africa and during 1978 IUEF was looking for a deputy director because of the workload onand the organisation had grown and was quite big, was working in Latin America and in Africa: had offices in San José and Costa Rica, in London, in Lusaka, it also had a representative in Lagos where there was a group of South African students and the Geneva head office. Many people applied for the job. I didn't and finally I was asked to apply for the job. I applied and I got given the job. During this time I had been liaising quite closely with the ANC in a very private way, becausewas not very pro-ANC and the ANC knew that|was more pro PAC/black consciousness movement and I pushed the ANC, sorry the IUEF more and more towards the ANC because this suited Pretoria, because if all anti-apartheid forces were linked with the ANC and the ANC was linked with the Communist Party, the Communist Party was linked with Moscow, then in the international political spectrum it was easy to brand all anti-apartheid actions as Moscow-orientated and therefore something the West shouldn't worry about. There was worry in South Africa at that time about the development of the black consciousness movement from 1976 and so that was '78. '79 things continued: I was the deputy director I was doing a lot of work, running all over the world, going to anti-apartheid conferences speaking at the UN against South Africa, generally running the International University Exchange Fund together with. There was, late in 1979, there was this small problem with the Swedes, which you would probably know about, where somebody in the Swedish legation in Lusaka asked the ANC if they knew that I'd been a policeman previously in South Africa and was I not perhaps still linked with the authorities. That was cleared up, I got a letter from the ANC saying there had never been any reason to suspect me and that they were happy to work with me, and things continued, but very shortly after that, in January 1980, a fellow with the name ofdefected or ran away from the national intelligence service, or I think it was still called BOSS at that time. I never knew really why. I heard that he was gay and that the counter-intelligence people had confronted him, told him he was going to be discharged, he got upset, he grabbed some documents, he was told to come back to the office in the morning, he went back to his office, he filled a case with documents and flew to London and gave the documents to the Observer newspaper. The editor,who has always been very...a campaigner against apartheid. The first Sunday's article that came out shocked me, because it had |photograph and I'd been on the SRC of Witwatersrand University with

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