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Craig Williamson: appointed to the President's Council and we went through the change from the securocrats to what I would call the Broederbonders.

The political force behind the National Party came back into power, because Botha had kept them at bay and the people in the National Party who had believed that they could deal with the ANC as a political force then took power, and the securocrats were pushed aside.

I didn't lose my job, but I lost my influence and I just became just another guy.

And during that year, we had caucus meetings and meetings and I was asked:

"What do you think about the new policy?" And I said
"well, if you understand what you've done, I think it's great. But I don't think you understand what you've done. Because" I said "if you think the National Party can compete with the ANC politically, then you had better start thinking again."

And my...the day I decided to resign was after a caucus meeting at which the chief, the head of the Broederbond, Gerrit Viljoen, made a big speech to us, we did a three-day seminar, and we were told:

"the strategy of the National Party will be now to defeat the ANC in an election, based on a Christian alliance, because eighty per cent of the people of South Africa are Christian, we'll forge a Christian alliance and we'll win an election."

So I said: "Thank you, gentlemen. Dream on, but I'm not dreaming with you. I'm going to go and make a life for myself."

And the first of January 1991, I sent them a fax, I said:

"I'm resigning. Thank you very much. Good bye."

And 1991, 1992 I started doing business. I tried, obviously through where I'm best, have best been involved.

First of all, Mozambique. I became involved in some...in a lobster project and some prawn fishing. I then also extended the prawn activity from Mozambique to Tanzania, so I thought we could fish in the northern areas of Mozambique, in the southern waters of Tanzania, prawns and sell them in South Africa.

The biggest reason that didn't work was because I was involved in another business here in Angola, which had just started.

But when the war broke out here again there were some problems with payments: the money I had been getting from the company operating here dried up, which meant I was in a cash-flow problem: I'd been using that money to subsidise developing my fishing business and I had problems. So from ... 1993 was a bad year.

I was just trying to develop business and then basically since then, since the ... the development of the ... of the improvement of the peace situation in Angola, I've been involved in a company that is working in Angola and we do three things: we trade - we send South African goods from South Africa to Angola, Peter Stuyvesant one of them, Rothmans, Dunhill, Coca-Cola, potatoes, onions, some ... a other ... cosmetics, I mean consumer goods. We have a mining, I would say a mining contracting division which is busy, is preparing to provide mining

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