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Therefore, I am actually telling you what happened. I'm sure that ammunition was only sold... It takes a long time to. You need to buy the raw materials, metals, in short, buy everything and then you need to load and still we need to inspect, and Iranian inspectors came here. The inspectors came here to inspect and they entered through the normal door, they did not come secretly, nor did they come in disguise! Entered through the normal door, they went to the factories, saw and accepted, or not, because they could refuse! They could Do not accept. This time they knew perfectly well, for example, that the metals came from Israel, They knew perfectly well! We did not manufacture those metals. Metallic 155 or 203 came from Israel. We only remembered to buy a forge for that when there was no more necessity, and the forge stayed there, at INDEP, as another proof of the ineptitude of the planning. Well, that's another thing!

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Now what I can say is that inspectors came in, saw, went to watch the shipments...! Want something clearer and cooler than this ?! I dont know!

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I'm almost sure, but anyway, I can't guarantee you that we never sell directly nothing for Iran, except from 1981. The only thing I remember before 1981 is the departure of 100 cannons without recoil, that came from Israel here, and that the transfer was made here to Iran Air, which also entered legally, landed legally at the airport and took them! It was something they were looking for and couldn't find and what perhaps triggered the great business chain they did with us was the fact that we solved a little problem they had! ».

Regarding the Government's concern with the issue of arms exports, Alpoim Calvão stated that strict control of procedures, both bureaucratic and logistical, but recalled that there was a specific concern on the part of the Government about the illicit export of weapons, which he himself says he does not know exists in Portugal:

«Even by the right legislation that existed, it was seen that the Ministry of Defense had this worry. The legislation was very right and required many licenses.

For example, for the transport of ammunition from the Explosives factory in Trufaria to SetúbUL, which was the normal port of embarkation, police escorts were required, rules of security, scouts ahead, the port practically closed... It was important logistics and complicated!

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Notice, 1, in order to be an administrator at Explosivos da Trafaria, I had to pass the National Security Authority and to be accepted by the Directorate-General for Armaments. No there was reason not to go through the National Security Authority, which was very demanding. Anyway, they asked lots of questions, such as if you had ever visited a country in the East,