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of them have a very old usefUL life, some with more than 50 years. Some of these companies have been operating for a long time in Porturgal and legitimately, with perfectly valid operations and scrutinized. Why was Portugal a desirable country for this type of operations? Because it had huge war surpluses. The sale of material that was in excess was essential to profitable operations, and I am not just talking about small arms, even though there are war surpluses, but above all artillery war surpluses, with some moreover, unbelievable situations, such as the surplus of 1945 war in storerooms military and that, as nobody can get them out of there due to the instability of explosives, they are still there ».

Asked about the fact that, when Minister of Defense, he did not find the dispatches relating to the sale of armaments at the date of 1980, despite having sought them out, replied:

« My perplexity came from not having an archive organized so that one day historians can consult it, regarding the business domain properly said, the way the balance sheets and accounts of these two companies were presented to me, how they were closed, how they were liquidated, etc. At the residence of the Minister of Defense there was in fact a file, if you can call it the documentation there. found, where it was practically impossible for a layman in archivist matters and above all to u minister in office to conduct an efficient operational research on all this documentation that was in the Fort of São Julião da Barra. I don't think that documentution can now be located, and the obligation to transfer it to the urchives Ministries' documentation is also a beautifUL opportunity to misplace documentation. And therefore, the search I did was for individual voluntarism, with description, without diligence to instruct someone to do it, but always tuking advantage of the opportunities to iry to do it, to know where the documentation to know how, at thut time, Minister Amaro da Costa gave the order of homologation in arms endorsement I never got to see any dispatch from Adelino Amaro da Costa. I did several endorsement approval orders for armament. I know how to do it ».

Asked to clarify whether in the conversation with Adelino Amaro da Costa, when he transmitted the concern regarding the blocking of information to the Ministry of Defense, regarding the industry of arinaments and the Overseas Military Defense Fund, some names were mentioned, he stated:

  • I clarify that the Fund's matter was not discussed. On this matter, I have not had any discussion, nor any exchange of views. The blocking force obviously has the names of the Council of the Revolution and some of these names of the Council of the Revolution are known, there is no poin in verbalizing known names. There were alliances, made at the time, with members of the Revolution Council who would be favorable to the development constitutional that the AD proposed, and there were also vowels that were not. Therefore, it is evident that there was a political struggle at that time between the civilist forces and there were some alliances, also with the Socialist Party, to effectively introduce a institutional parliamentarization in the constitutional and functioning model and this is where the majorities that were obtained at that time to arrive at the revision appear constitutional. Now, if you ask me, objectively. if it wus Admiral x or Admiral y or if it was General y or General :1 am not able to tell you, my memory no longer