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[[Eugene De Kock]]: Angola, and at the same time, and I believe it was a Reagan era, at the same time they flew in the Contras and all the other right-wing groups in South America, who were going against the Sandinistas and the Honduras or whatever happened there, you know.
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[[Eugene De Kock]]: Angola, and at the same time, and I believe it was a [[Ronald Reagan]] era, at the same time they flew in the Contras and all the other right-wing groups in South America, who were going against the Sandinistas and the Honduras or whatever happened there, you know.
  
 
There were so many little wars going on there and there was definitely a very very strong American connection concerning that.
 
There were so many little wars going on there and there was definitely a very very strong American connection concerning that.
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He and two or three other...well, people or operatives in this front company that he worked for now live in England.
 
He and two or three other...well, people or operatives in this front company that he worked for now live in England.
  
And he also told me that on the Thames or one of those rivers in the central of London, I think it's a...well it's a Thames going through it in any case, there was a bust of [[Nelson Mandela]], which was fabricated by some polymer or plastic so it couldn't rust. And they destroyed this by throwing flammable, you know liquids over it and then setting in alight.
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And he also told me that on the Thames or one of those rivers in the central of London, I think it's a...well it's a Thames going through it in any case, there was a bust of [[Nelson Mandela]], which was fabricated by some polymer or plastic so it couldn't rust.
  
And they were actually...and they were actually...they were actually, well, not arrested but they were caught out.
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And they destroyed this by throwing flammable, you know liquids over it and then setting in alight.
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And they were actually ... and they were actually ... they were actually, well, not arrested but they were caught out.
  
 
He never said who it was, whether it was Special Branch, MI5 or MI6 or whatever.
 
He never said who it was, whether it was Special Branch, MI5 or MI6 or whatever.
  
I don't think it will be M16 in any case. So they were operating, they were busy and they were in...let me put it to you: they were in a destruction mode, let me put it to you that way.  
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I don't think it will be MI6 in any case. So they were operating, they were busy and they were in ... let me put it to you: they were in a destruction mode, let me put it to you that way.  
  
 
Okay, I've already...I've already read that...front organisation I've already mentioned.
 
Okay, I've already...I've already read that...front organisation I've already mentioned.
  
  
FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: Maybe you can say exactly what Mister [[Philip Powell]] told you about the murder of...
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FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: ''Maybe you can say exactly what Mister [[Philip Powell]] told you about the murder of ...''
  
 
[[Eugene De Kock]]: What he said was that: "This man is a man who shot [[Olof Palme]]." And that is it.
 
[[Eugene De Kock]]: What he said was that: "This man is a man who shot [[Olof Palme]]." And that is it.
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FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: Okay.
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FHL [[Hans Ölvebro]]: ''Okay.''
  
 
[[Eugene De Kock]]: [[Philip Powell]] was adamant that this man was a killer. There is no doubt about it.
 
[[Eugene De Kock]]: [[Philip Powell]] was adamant that this man was a killer. There is no doubt about it.

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Eugene De Kock: Angola, and at the same time, and I believe it was a Ronald Reagan era, at the same time they flew in the Contras and all the other right-wing groups in South America, who were going against the Sandinistas and the Honduras or whatever happened there, you know.

There were so many little wars going on there and there was definitely a very very strong American connection concerning that.

Okay, Philip Powell also mentioned to me, and this is just to give you a background example of the openness that existed between us.

He and two or three other...well, people or operatives in this front company that he worked for now live in England.

And he also told me that on the Thames or one of those rivers in the central of London, I think it's a...well it's a Thames going through it in any case, there was a bust of Nelson Mandela, which was fabricated by some polymer or plastic so it couldn't rust.

And they destroyed this by throwing flammable, you know liquids over it and then setting in alight.

And they were actually ... and they were actually ... they were actually, well, not arrested but they were caught out.

He never said who it was, whether it was Special Branch, MI5 or MI6 or whatever.

I don't think it will be MI6 in any case. So they were operating, they were busy and they were in ... let me put it to you: they were in a destruction mode, let me put it to you that way.

Okay, I've already...I've already read that...front organisation I've already mentioned.


FHL Hans Ölvebro: Maybe you can say exactly what Mister Philip Powell told you about the murder of ...

Eugene De Kock: What he said was that: "This man is a man who shot Olof Palme." And that is it.

He didn't give detail about how the man walked up, or if he did walk up or in he was on a bike or if he was in a car or whatever.

I've made a list of about four or five pieces of information that we gained from Tommy Lindström, so that you will know what he gave us and this is about on six or seven, so that we do not confuse what I say with what he said.


FHL Hans Ölvebro: Okay.

Eugene De Kock: Philip Powell was adamant that this man was a killer. There is no doubt about it.

And that this man was working for Craig Williamson, that Craig Williamson was the chief of operations concerning the killing of Olof Palme. There is no doubt about that.

If I had any doubt, I would have not mentioned it, you know, in court.

As soon as the shooting of Olof Palme , all fingers pointed towards