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Dirk Coetzee: in the way that when Riaan... Riaan sat, I don't know whether it's of interest for you, but he sat in my sitting room. Now that was about three weeks ago when he spoke to...I've got his card at home:of Channel Four Television. (phoned the morning to ask Ron Reed Daly, a former Rhodesian's telephone number. He's near Johanesburg. Now I don't know those guys, they were Section A guys, they operated more with Craig Williamson. Then I said: "I haven't got it, but Riaan Stander is here, I'll just ask him whether he'll speak to you." And I said: "Riaan, do you know anything about Ron Read Daly, will you speak to the Swedish journalist?" He says. "Yes." And he took the phone. Then I could hear, after helping him with the phone number, this journalist was trying to press him to come forward with the information. So Riaan...and my son was in the sitting room with me. That's not to say it's my son, that's why I talk like my father. You can see him apart completely. He's twenty years old. He's open-minded and he won't lie with his father, 'cos I don't lie. But what he then said is: "It's not as plain..." it was now Riaan talking to this man "...it's not as plain as a simple murder. It's a whole run-up to the story. It might even involve individual Swedish politician and security forces, security force members. So it's not only the..." and he asked about the reward and the guy said: "Fifty million Kronor" and Riaan said: "That's about thirty million Rand." Riaan flies frequently over to Germany, some weeks...he's got a, well he says 'a

Pome office there' but I don't know. It's a friend: ÍI think. But

he's frequently over to Germany. But he then said: "So one will have to look at a safe house." He doesn't say "I know it", he says: "If one has information, one will have to look at a safe house and Swedish citizenship." That's what he said and this journalist asked to phone him back, because Riaan said: "I'll! think about it." But he also said: "Well it's not as plain as a simple murder. Oh, there's a whole run-up to it." And let me just think what he else said. But what happened then when later... I'm sorry this is another thing, mate: your state television guy phoned then who also did an interview. A guy with very little hair. He came here with a South African camera team: Simon and I think James was the sound man with the South Africans. He was alone. When I told him, because when this journalist started, as soon as they had their scoop, 1 filled them in on what other journalists have found out and what they say, just to make sure everyone gets all information. When I told this state journalist guy, he said Riaan told him that too. Oh yes, that's one. And in the end he said: "You know, even the weapon might be found." What did he mean by that? I, my conclusion, coming from the security family is: Riaan might have some knowledge where that weapon is. Why would he say

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