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Dirk Coetzee: And the name?
FHL Hans Ölvebro: The first name is
Dirk Coetzee: No.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: of course you know who is, who he is. It's a policeman in Port Elizabeth. Okay.
D: You don't know him?
FHL Hans Ölvebro: No, you see I just want to explain... Okay. Okay, let's go on.
FHL Hans Ölvebro:
Dirk Coetzee: Uh-huh.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: And I have a name: .
Dirk Coetzee: No.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: And another one is
Dirk Coetzee: Whoa! Ghe Ghe ! Ha ha! Ghe Ghe my son! He was also there. He was also in the restaurant. I introduced him to the Swedish guys too.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: You did.
Dirk Coetzee: Yes. We call him Ghe Ghe. You see his initials is G, but because he's got such a common flat South African name, we called him Ghe Ghe. He doesn't smoke but he loves his little totsies. No he's very ... he's with a computer company, I mean he gave my son a card. I can go home and look for the card. Otherwise the Waterfalls Restaurant is ... the owners are... Peter always ... I mean Peter's never got a job and if he's in Pretoria he sleeps at their place and so, so all... frequently comes here, but on a Sunday after Peter's been at the jail, he's usually at Paul's house and comes there every Sunday. Before they left for Beira, him and my son, . Peter went to visit Gene de Kock on a Saturday to ask him a few questions