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Dirk Coetzee: with , Lieutenant Philip Powell, went to Longreach with Craig Williamson, so the police and the certain sections of military intelligence became closely involved and entangled.
You look at Namn maskerat , the guy who also spoke last night, he was the guy who flew to London with Captain Pamela Durandt to arrange a contract murder with the Ulster Loyalists on my life.
On the eleventh of April 1992 they landed in London and they were arrested by Scotland Yard on the fourteenth of April.
He is an ex-Vlakplaas policeman, you can see Sergeant Namn maskerat , but at the time was with Military Intelligence, Directorate of Covert Collection: DCC.
So they became so closely entangled and involved that it was difficult then to distinguish.
I mean they went to Vlakplaas whenever they wanted, to Daisy, and it was one concoction, one big concoction. Sorry for all the long ... let's get back to your questions.
FHL Hans Ölvebro: Well we have some names, we ... You have already mentioned a lot of people but we have some other names we will ask you about.
When Craig Williamson left the police and went on to the military side his controller was a person called Namn maskerat
Dirk Coetzee: Namn maskerat actually yeah. I don't know him I've heard the name a lot.
Riaan Stander] will be ... have you seen Riaan Stander already or not? I don't know but if you see Riaan Stander he's got a lot on that Namn maskerat . But I've never met him. I've just heard the name again from Riaan Stander.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: Do you know his real name?
Dirk Coetzee: No, it's a nickname. Namn maskerat is a nickname like, yeah like what? No I don't know his real name. But every ... if you speak of Namn maskerat , everyone will know in the intelligence world.
Everyone will know.
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: Will he be here in Pretoria?
Dirk Coetzee: Yeah yeah he will. Easy findable, Tolletjie Botha. I'm sure if you ring Riaan Stander...
FHL Hans Ölvebro: Well we have tried for several days but he don't...
ÅKL Jan Danielsson: He doesn't call back.