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possible or not. Now obviously to me it was very very evident that Mister Eriksson knew that as far as he was concerned, he was all...the game was up. It was evident. There is no way that his position would be salvaged. There was no way at all. And that either he had to take my offer. keep Williamson in this position and continue as if nothing has happened and so on and...or he must destroy himself. So it was unnecessary for me to threaten him. He knew it. He did ask me at one stage what do I think will happen if it becomes known that he had harboured a South African intelligence agent, that he was so naive or so foolish or that he knew it. He says: "That is a possibility Some people will say that I knew it all along. It's a possibility that I was concerned." And I said to him: "Mister Eriksson, you know, the position is you must, you're best equipped to work these things out for yourself. I can't. You know exactly what your background is, who the people are that you are in contact with, what the real situation is. You know that you're in contact with the Russians. I told you that. You know that. I don't know why you're in contact, what the real factual situation is there. You must answer these things for yourself. And then you must decide. In the meantime you must give me a period, I don't want you to go rush out here and go to the Swiss police and say: "Here is a South African intelligence agent" and I'm arrested here because then in any event the game is up." He says now all right now he's going to think about it and he's going to consult his wife. That's why I askeci you, you know, what has happened to his wife. And he said to me he's in favour of my proposal but he thinks that his wife will not go along with it and he's got to go and confide with her. And this is how we left one another there. You know we greeted and so on. And I still I think stayed on a day or so and then I took the train back. I think the train was on back. And I went to England. And it was three or four days after that meeting that suddenly appeared an article in the newspaper to say that Mister Eriksson...well I withdrew at that stage. I also withdrew Williamson as a safety step, and his wife. I withdrew them to...I think it was to France, I'm not sure. To France or Belgium or Holland or one of those countries. And I was already as I say I was in England on my way back. It was... it must be three days subsequent to the meeting, that suddenly one evening a newsflash on television that Mister Eriksson has made a statement to the effect that he's been threatened in Switzerland and you know it appeared now that Mister Williamson that had worked for him, was working for South Africa: South African security. And Williamson joined me...yeah it was Belgium. we were...he and his wife was in Belgium. And they flew back to England and we came back to South