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This is the record of the interrogation of Superintendent CARL Edwards,
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on Thursday October 1996, commencing 18.10 in premises belonging to the Supreme Court in Port Elizabeth. Leading the interrogation is Detective Superintendent Hans Ölvebro. Chief Prosecutor Jan Danielsson is also present. There is also another person present whom Mister Edwards has brought with him as a form of witness to the interrogation. The man does not wish his identity to be disclosed in the record, but his name will be noted off the record. The interrogation is being recorded on tape and is being held in English
Mr Edwards has been informed that he is to be interrogated with respect to any possible information he may have concerning South African involvement in the murder of Olof Palme.
Ö= Ölvebro D= Danielsson E = Edwards
Ö:
Well, it's rolling
E:
Okay. Fine.
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Okay, Mister Edwards, can you, to start with, give us a brief information of your own background.
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This is the record of the interrogation of Superintendent CARL Edwards,
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on Thursday October 1996, commencing 18.10 in premises belonging to the Supreme Court in Port Elizabeth. Leading the interrogation is Detective Superintendent Hans Ölvebro. Chief Prosecutor Jan Danielsson is also present. There is also another person present whom Mister Edwards has brought with him as a form of witness to the interrogation. The man does not wish his identity to be disclosed in the record, but his name will be noted off the record. The interrogation is being recorded on tape and is being held in English
Mr Edwards has been informed that he is to be interrogated with respect to any possible information he may have concerning South African involvement in the murder of Olof Palme.
Ö= Ölvebro D= Danielsson E = Edwards
Ö:
Well, it's rolling
E:
Okay. Fine.
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Okay, Mister Edwards, can you, to start with, give us a brief information of your own background.
Hal
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As far as I know he was running a business, but he had, you know it looked. to me like it was a financed story: it looked as if he had a lot of money to play with, because he was driving a fancy car. There were lots of telephones and chairs around, I was very impressed.
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Was that at an office of some kind?
E:
Yes. It was an office, his office.
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And you didn't meet with any other people?
E:
No. I didn't meet with anyone else.
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Well, Mister Danielsson started to ask you about names, and we will go on. I have a few.///
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As far as I know he was running a business, but he had, you know it looked. to me like it was a financed story: it looked as if he had a lot of money to play with, because he was driving a fancy car. There were lots of telephones and chairs around, I was very impressed.
D:
Was that at an office of some kind?
E:
Yes. It was an office, his office.
D:
And you didn't meet with any other people?
E:
No. I didn't meet with anyone else.
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Well, Mister Danielsson started to ask you about names, and we will go on. I have a few.///
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North-west of...
E:
Something like that, yes.
Ö:
North east it must be. Okay. Do you know the phone number?
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No, I don't
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Is that the farm you were referring to?
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No, not that farm.
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North-west of...
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Something like that, yes.
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North east it must be. Okay. Do you know the phone number?
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No, I don't
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Is that the farm you were referring to?
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No, not that farm.
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And what can you tell us about him?
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Just what you read in the press.
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And what can you tell us about him?
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Just what you read in the press.
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No, I've never met him.
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Never met him?
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Never met him.
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Yes I know...I've met him.
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And who is he?'
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Well of course.
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No. I know the name but I never had any dealings with him that I can remember.
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Definitely not. Never heard of him.
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No.
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No, I've never met him.
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Never met him?
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Never met him.
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Yes I know...I've met him.
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And who is he?'
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Well of course.
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No. I know the name but I never had any dealings with him that I can remember.
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Definitely not. Never heard of him.
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No.
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Yeah, he's a personal friend of mine.
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And do you think that... I will put the question in this way: Has he ever talked to you about the murder of Olof Palme?
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Never ever. No.
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You have never talked about this?
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Do you remember when it was? I mean which year and...
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Yeah, he's a personal friend of mine.
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And do you think that... I will put the question in this way: Has he ever talked to you about the murder of Olof Palme?
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Never ever. No.
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You have never talked about this?
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Do you remember when it was? I mean which year and...
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Yeah.
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Do you remember when it was the last time you saw him?
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Yeah the last time I saw him was a long time ago.
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This one?
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No, I've never met him.
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No. A woman?
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No.
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Yeah.
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Do you remember when it was the last time you saw him?
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Yeah the last time I saw him was a long time ago.
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This one?
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No, I've never met him.
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No. A woman?
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No.
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Have you seen the two television programmes?
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No, I haven't actually. I haven't seen the programmes.
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And what did they say about him?
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That's it: he was a bit of a loony, yeah.
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Have you seen the two television programmes?
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No, I haven't actually. I haven't seen the programmes.
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And what did they say about him?
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That's it: he was a bit of a loony, yeah.
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Yeah.
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That would be speculation. You'll have to ask him.
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Yeah.
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That would be speculation. You'll have to ask him.
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Jon
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Nothing more? Do you have anything to add that you think might be of value?
E:
No. If you'd like me to sum up for you, I think that to put a South African connection to Olof Palme's murder is...sounds good on paper, but in practice I certainly think that it didn't come from here. That's my opinion.
Ö:
Okay. Then it's the end of this talk with Mister Edwards. Do you want to...that we play the tape again for you?
E:
No, not at all. I know what I've said.
Ö:
Okay. Then we end this at five minutes to seven.
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Jon
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Nothing more? Do you have anything to add that you think might be of value?
E:
No. If you'd like me to sum up for you, I think that to put a South African connection to Olof Palme's murder is...sounds good on paper, but in practice I certainly think that it didn't come from here. That's my opinion.
Ö:
Okay. Then it's the end of this talk with Mister Edwards. Do you want to...that we play the tape again for you?
E:
No, not at all. I know what I've said.
Ö:
Okay. Then we end this at five minutes to seven.
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Yes, during those years when you not was in the police force in any way, what were your occupation during that time?
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Yes, during those years when you not was in the police force in any way, what were your occupation during that time?
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END OF INTERROGATION
Thanklelius
END OF INTERROGATION
Thanklelius
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Have you ever been to Sweden?
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Have you ever been to Sweden?
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And are you aware of any Swedish policemen who has been down in South Africa?
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No, not that I can recall. When is this? Recently or long ago?
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No, I mean in the Eighties and the Seventies.
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No, not that I can recall.
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If we go on: Have you ever met Mister Palme?
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Do you have any questions?
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Thank you.
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And are you aware of any Swedish policemen who has been down in South Africa?
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No, not that I can recall. When is this? Recently or long ago?
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No, I mean in the Eighties and the Seventies.
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No, not that I can recall.
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If we go on: Have you ever met Mister Palme?
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Do you have any questions?
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Thank you.
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5 Okay, if we then go on and ask you: Do you know...do you have any information of a South African link to the murder of Mister Olof Palme?
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No, none.
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What was the first time you heard about it? When was the first time?
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The first time that I really took notice of anything relating to that was when Gene de Kock mentioned it at his trial. And what's interesting to me is this, which I think might throw some light on the issue for you, is that de Kock was a man of action and he worked very closely with Craig in the past, prior to 1990. And people such as myself and Craig strongly advised him that after 1990, the second of February, there was no justification at all for continuing in any way with the so-called struggle, because a political settlement had been dealt, so from our point of view, certainly from my point of view, I cannot speak for Craig but I would imagine so because we have been associated since, we said 'right, the struggle is over, let's get on with our lives, it's a great relief. We battled like hell, we spent twenty-odd years of our lives fighting this war. Let's get on with our lives. Let's make some money. Let's establish ourselves in the private sector if we can, that's what we must look towards.' And that's what we did.
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5 Okay, if we then go on and ask you: Do you know...do you have any information of a South African link to the murder of Mister Olof Palme?
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No, none.
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What was the first time you heard about it? When was the first time?
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The first time that I really took notice of anything relating to that was when Gene de Kock mentioned it at his trial. And what's interesting to me is this, which I think might throw some light on the issue for you, is that de Kock was a man of action and he worked very closely with Craig in the past, prior to 1990. And people such as myself and Craig strongly advised him that after 1990, the second of February, there was no justification at all for continuing in any way with the so-called struggle, because a political settlement had been dealt, so from our point of view, certainly from my point of view, I cannot speak for Craig but I would imagine so because we have been associated since, we said 'right, the struggle is over, let's get on with our lives, it's a great relief. We battled like hell, we spent twenty-odd years of our lives fighting this war. Let's get on with our lives. Let's make some money. Let's establish ourselves in the private sector if we can, that's what we must look towards.' And that's what we did.
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that regularly in our reports, and if you can lay your hands on some of those reports you will see, regularly in our reports we constantly drew attention to the fact that the social democracies were more of a help to us than a hindrance because the whole philosophy that the social democracies had in supporting Steve Biko and Black Consciousness Movement acted actually at that time as a bulwark, as a stumbling block to the forward thrust of the ANC. And in fact the closure of the IUEF and the fact that after Lars-Gunnar departed that the Swedes then donated their money directly to the ANC work, assisted the ANC more than anything else. It gave the ANC impetus. And that was something we were always trying to prevent by constantly feeding, you know, Lars-Gunnar with Black Consciousness Movement stuff and keeping the Black Consciousness issues alive. Because it kept the splitÖ:
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that regularly in our reports, and if you can lay your hands on some of those reports you will see, regularly in our reports we constantly drew attention to the fact that the social democracies were more of a help to us than a hindrance because the whole philosophy that the social democracies had in supporting Steve Biko and Black Consciousness Movement acted actually at that time as a bulwark, as a stumbling block to the forward thrust of the ANC. And in fact the closure of the IUEF and the fact that after Lars-Gunnar departed that the Swedes then donated their money directly to the ANC work, assisted the ANC more than anything else. It gave the ANC impetus. And that was something we were always trying to prevent by constantly feeding, you know, Lars-Gunnar with Black Consciousness Movement stuff and keeping the Black Consciousness issues alive. Because it kept the splitÖ:
Do you have ever heard that Craig Williamson said that he hated Sweden?
E:Communist Party from stamping a dictatorship on South Africa. And it was only the collapse of the Soviet Union in the long term that saved the situation there. I mean you could have negotiated a settlement in South Africa, but if the Soviet Union had still been around, we'd have had advisors from every single bloody country in the Soviet Union here tomorrow dictating the course of events in this country. So we in fact, in a sense, because the struggle was prolonged to the point where the Soviet Union went into decline, we were actually lucky the negotiations took place at that late stage, because we've got now a democracy that may work. But we liked the Swedes in that they were anti-communist. That was our feeling. And we always knew that there was a path open to the Swedes. If you spoke to the Swedes about
communism, you could at least open a debate with them, because they didn't want to see communists running this country. That was our opinion. That was how we viewed it.
Ö:
If there is a South African link and somebody here in South Africa had decided to kill Mister Palme, can you describe the level where this...
E:
...decision will have been taken?
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Yes.
E:
Well, I mean you only got...there's only two scenarios, you know. Either a totally crackpot group that made its own decisions, or it would have had to come from the highest levels of government. It was either one or the other.
Ö:
Do you think there was a group like the one...
E:
I doubt it very much! I doubt it very much.
Ö:
There was always somebody who controlled the different unit.
E:
Always, yes.
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Yes, Mister Danielsson.
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communism, you could at least open a debate with them, because they didn't want to see communists running this country. That was our opinion. That was how we viewed it.
Ö:
If there is a South African link and somebody here in South Africa had decided to kill Mister Palme, can you describe the level where this...
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...decision will have been taken?
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Yes.
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Well, I mean you only got...there's only two scenarios, you know. Either a totally crackpot group that made its own decisions, or it would have had to come from the highest levels of government. It was either one or the other.
Ö:
Do you think there was a group like the one...
E:
I doubt it very much! I doubt it very much.
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There was always somebody who controlled the different unit.
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Always, yes.
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Yes, Mister Danielsson.
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